Iran nuclear deal - A boon or bane for India? March 2018 issue

Iran nuclear deal - A boon or bane for India?

In India, the lifting of economic sanctions on Iran has evoked mixed feelings. While officially, the country has welcomed it, the business fraternity is a worried lot. How justified are some of these concerns? More importantly, are India-Iran economic ties headed for better or worse times? The Dollar Business analyses. Satyapal Menon | September 2015 Issue | The Dollar Business

As the D-day approached, the world waited with bated breath for the outcome of negotiations to relax the most comprehensive and long-standing set of sanctions on any country since World War II. Sanctions that had crippled the economy of oil-rich Iran. Sanctions that were, in a convoluted way, a boon to India. The outcome had the potential to have widespread ramifications on global trade dynamics, world security and relations between Iran, the West and the rest. So, when the news hit the wires on July 14, 2015, that the accord – Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA) – had finally been signed by E3/EU+3 or P5+1, as they say in the United States, and Iran, one expected fireworks in global financial markets. While that didn’t happen, not even in the energy market, the feeling in India was mixed. The country’s official stance of course, was to welcome the deal. But the business and trade fraternity was not all that enthused. There were palpable apprehensions that the end of Iran’s isolation may affect India’s dominant position in trade with the Islamic republic. Do such concerns have a basis? Is the Iran nuclear deal a boon or bane for India? A detailed analysis by The Dollar Business follows...

India-Iran-TheDollarBusiness During the meeting of Iranian Foreign Minister Mohammdd Javad Zarif and Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi in New Delhi on the 14th of August, 2015, major issues concerning bilateral trade and investments were discussed.

If the supporters of JCPOA expected global financial markets to react euphorically to the end of Iran’s economic isolation, in return of it promising to not equip itself with nuclear weapon capabilities, they were in for a disappointment. Except for leaders on both sides shouting from their rooftops to score brownie points on the signing of the deal, it was just another day in office for most markets. Crude oil futures continued their journey lower, as they have been doing for over a year now, Gold barely blinked, most base metals shrugged it off and stocks continued yoyoing. Maybe it was a function of a deep sense of mutual distrust that is entrenched in the global psyche, one which has developed over years of experiencing posers. Probably, markets were figuring out whether the deal was a judicious denouement of an issue that has witnessed intransigent stalemates at innumerable rounds of confabulations and conferences. Perhaps for them, the development was just another kicking of the can down the road.

Blood enemies Obama tweet on Iran deal Markets aside, the main antagonists of the deal – Israel and Saudi Arabia – both of whom have had many-a-field day in the past, prophesying about the deal not coming to fruition, were unequivocal in their criticism of it and continue to do so. “The deal, in no way, stops Iran’s way to a bomb. Rather, it paves the way for the same. Even if Iran fulfils all the conditions of and complies with the agreement, it will, in 8-10 years, find itself with not just one or two nuclear bombs, but with a whole arsenal. On the other hand, if it decides not to go by the agreement, even then it will find itself with a nuclear arsenal, that too without the international community knowing about it," Ohad Horsandi, Spokesman, Embassy of Israel in India, tells The Dollar Business. Understandable it is that Israel believes that some mechanisms in the deal are not very effective and make it very difficult for the international community – the UN Security Council and P5+1 – to ensure that Iran complies with the deal. That this agreement will result in a stable Middle East is hard for adversaries of this deal. In fact, many feel that suspicion among the antagonists is a real threat to the newfound bonhomie and may continue to hamper the process of reconciliation and redemption. According to them, the claim of the antagonists that the deal is totally nuclear focused or nuclear weapon centric and does not include terrorism and Iran’s adventures in Syria, is a bit far removed from ground realities. But logically, doesn’t the deal legitimise Iran’s role in Syria? Doesn’t it give the country a licence to continue such nefarious infringements? Isn’t it like stating that you are free to continue your activities as long as you do not develop nuclear weapons?

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Shashank Joshi, Senior Research Fellow, Royal United Services Institute, and an expert on South Asia and the Middle East, doesn’t think so. “One argument is that once the $100 billion or so – which was frozen following the sanctions – is released to Iran, it will be used to fund terrorist groups, the Assad regime and other Western or Israeli adversaries. I think this is a little exaggerated, because all that money is not being made available to Iran in the short term. I think people should understand that the deal includes stringent provisions for snapback sanctions. I have never before seen any diplomatic agreement like this. It effectively nullifies veto in the UN Security Council,” he tells The Dollar Business. JohnKerry tweet on Iran deal What makes the deal interesting is that even Russia and China cannot block the reimposition of sanctions if Iran makes a wrong move. This is an incredible provision and a very modern diplomatic instrument. Iran cannot use this period to buy time, because the inspection regime is understandably thorough. In fact, it is understood that hereon, there will be more eyes on Iran's nuclear development activities than there were in the past. That obviously means Iran will try that much less to experiment with trickery. "Iran cannot take ten years for economic growth and secretly develop nuclear weapons, because inspections are going to increase, not decrease,” Joshi adds. Many like him feel that one shouldn’t always second-guess a country’s international commitments. True that the world cannot be totally sure of what's on Iran's mind as far as abiding to the rules laid down in the deal is concerned. It may even get uncomfortable in the near future and decide that life was easier with the sanctions. Perhaps. But, at the same time, what makes the deal significant for the western powers is that it will give the political class in Iran some time for thought. In case the country violates rules thereafter, it will get easier for the international community to impose more stringent measures against it, as compared to those imposed in 2009. Supporters of the deal are of the view that a nuclear Iran is a far bigger threat than it getting involved in the internal politics of the Middle East and since the former aspect has been taken care of in the deal, it should be welcomed.

]Iran-Nuclear-Deal-TheDollarBusiness3 Thousands of people protested at Times Square in New York against the lifting of sanctions on Iran, a week after the nuclear accord was signed. Even today, in the United States, public opinion is fluctuating in favour and against the deal.

Obama’s legacy A major debate about the fate of the deal is whether or not it will pass the US Congress, which needs to give it its seal of approval in September. For, Big Brother United States, which was instrumental in brokering the deal, is witnessing fluctuating and divergent trends in public opinion about it. With the 2016 presidential race already heating up, Republicans, led by Presidential frontrunner Donald Trump, are venting their spleen about what they term a ‘sellout to Iran’. It’s also no secret that the powerful Jewish lobby in United States – read Israel – have had a more than a decisive role in making and unmaking Presidents. Then there’re also the pulls and pressures of defence lobbies, which benefit from an unstable Middle East, and petroleum lobbies, whose fortunes depend on oil market dynamics. Donald Trump tweet on Iran deal

One saving grace for the deal is that it can even survive a Congressional rejection, particularly since President Obama has vowed, if necessary, to use his veto to push the deal through. Moreover, even if a Republican candidate wins the bid to the White House in 2016 and American public opinion drives the country to rethink, United States might get isolated if it backs out of the deal, since other signatories to it – Germany, France, China and Russia – haven’t indicated any propensity to do the same. [Whether Obama's veto prevails or gets overridden is to be seen yet.] “We need to differentiate between American and European public opinion. In Europe, we are okay with the deal and there are no serious debates against it. In fact, the French foreign minister went to Tehran one week after the deal was signed. Even the United Kingdom is shortly going to reopen its embassy in Tehran. All this indicates that there is no serious opposition and no serious debate against the accord,” Joshi confirms.

Iran's top trading partners in CY2009-TheDollarBusiness

A friend in need…

One of the main reasons behind Iran softening its stance and agreeing to greater scrutiny of its nuclear facilities by the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) is the fact that years of economic isolation had crippled its economy. Not only had its annual inflation shot up to a nightmarish 40%-plus just a couple of years back, but its currency had lost two-thirds of its value since 2012, which included an unprecedented devaluation by the Iranian central bank in July 2013. Sanctions had also seen the Islamic Republic’s exports collapsing from $117.1 billion in CY2011 to just $64.2 billion in CY2014. In fact, President Hassan Rouhani’s election campaign in 2013 was based solely on a plank to revive the country’s economy. Interestingly, when the West, largely, had cut-off its ties with Iran, particularly since mid-2012, when US and EU banned all global banks from completing oil transactions with Iran, one of the only ‘friends’ the Islamic republic had in the world was India. This, not only because of India’s non-alignment history, but also because it was one of the only seven countries that US had allowed to continue trading with Iran, the others being South Korea, Malaysia, South Africa, Sri Lanka, Taiwan and Turkey.

India's top exports to Iran in FY2010-TheDollarBusiness

 

…is a friend indeed Hassan Rouhani

Thanks to India being one of the very few countries that traded with Iran when it was ostracised by the rest of the world, the country today sits pretty as the latter’s second-biggest trading partner. Does it mean India can consolidate its trading ties with Iran on the basis of this camaraderie? Many believe that Iran will not be sentimental about its relations with India. Reason being, India was not as much a source of support to Iran as China or Russia were, both of which were inside P5+1 and so, had leverage over the deal. Not to forget, India has even voted against Iran at IAEA on a number of occasions. It has also slowed its investments in Chabahar Port and other places. As a result of this deal, there will be many other nations trying to win its attention, thereby making India jealous on some fronts. Dr. A. Didar Singh, Secretary General, Federation of Indian Chanbers of Commerce & Industry (FICCI), too agrees that there will now be increased competition for Indian companies in Iran, but he has bit of advice on how to deal with it. “For dealing with competition, India will not only have to use its corporate sector’s muscle, but also its goodwill with the country. We feel India should use the opportunity to expand in areas that saw growth during the sanction period, even before sanctions are completely lifted,” he tells The Dollar Business.

]Iran-Nuclear-Deal-TheDollarBusiness4 Despite having the world's 4th largest proven oil reserves, Iran doesn't have enough refining capacity and often imports refined petroleum oils. In fact, in CY2009, refined petroleum oils were India's 2nd biggest exports to the Islamic nation.

A missed opportunity

For a detailed analysis of India-Iran trade ties, The Dollar Business Intelligence Unit identified two years – CY2009 and CY2014 – to define the time window. While CY2009 was the last year before US passed the Comprehensive Iran Sanctions, Accountability, and Divestment Act of 2010 (CISADA), CY2014 was the last full year before the nuclear deal was signed in July this year. The analysis (see table on page 44) reveals that India’s growth in exports to Iran is just a function of the latter’s desperation and not the former’s better penetration of its market! For, by CY2014, although India has gained market share in five of its top-10 exports to Iran in CY20009, it has lost the same in the remaining five. On the other hand, all 10 of India’s top-10 exports to Iran in CY2014 are a result of gains in market share, with three of them having a share of over 90%. Why? The reason is simple. Iran couldn’t find many countries other than India that were willing to export to it. Simply stated, in the course of the five years between CY2009 and CY2014, India was not exactly able to play on its strengths, and all that it could achieve in exports to Iran during the said years was a direct result of Iran's weaknesses. Elementary, my dear Watson! Let’s take the example of steel pipes of more than 406.4 diametre (HS Code 730511) – India’s third-biggest export to Iran in CY2009. Though India is the world’s 3rd biggest exporter of it, while its exports of the same to Iran represented 39% of the country’s exports of it in CY2009, in CY2014, the same was just 7.3%. And that’s the case with four of India’s other top-10 exports to Iran in CY2009 – light petroleum oils and preparations (HS Code 271011), organic compounds not specified elsewhere (HS Code 294200), cold-rolled iron or steel coils of more than 600 mm (HS Code 720916) & new pneumatic rubber tyres for lorries and buses (HS Code 401120).

Basmati-Rice-TheDollarBusiness India's biggest export to Iran continues to be basmati rice, with over $1.1 billion worth of exports in FY2015.  

While India managed to gain market share in the other five of the top-10, that each of its top-10 exports to Iran in CY2014 was a function of gains in market share more than negates the conclusions that can be drawn from the former. Another crucial data point, which highlights that India-Iran trade ties are more a function of Iran’s desperation during the sanction years and India’s convenience and hence are easily reversible, is that the total value of trade between the two nations hit an all-time high in FY2012 – the year both US and EU tightened their nooses around Iran with all their might. That even this all-time high was mostly a function of Iranian crude oil exports to India surging, seals the argument, doesn’t it? JavadZariff tweet on Iran deal

Validating this inference, Joshi says, “The private sector in India didn’t exploit Iran’s isolation enough and failed to make inroads into its economy, when it could have done so. And I think since it failed to do so, it will now, inevitably, face more competition.” Though India had not properly capitalised on the opportunity to widen its basket of exports to Iran, those taking a more conservative view are of the opinion that with US watching and monitoring every move, constraints and roadblocks were many. They attribute the low value of exports to a pervasive environment of unpredictability and banking restrictions. “Although oil and gas was exempt from sanctions, but informally, the Indian government was being forced to go by the United States’ diktats,” T. N. R. Rao, Chairman, Advisory Board, South Asia Gas Enterprise (SAGE), which is working on an ambitious project to lay undersea gas pipelines between Oman, Iran and India, tells The Dollar Business.

Iran-Deal-TheDollarBusiness Many who oppose the deal fear that money flowing into Iran will be used to fund the Assad regime in Syria, terrorist regimes like Hamas and Houthis and create further instability in the region.  

Newer pastures

Although India might not have made serious inroads into the Iranian market when it was out of bounds for most, the country does have a serious presence in the latter. “Trade in many sectors could not be developed in the past due to the lack of a proper banking channel to undertake transactions. Given India’s export capabilities in many of these sectors and the massive demand for them in Iran, the potential of India-Iran trade is immense,” Dr. Singh says. For example, despite being a major exporter of generic medicines to even the developed world, India’s pharmaceutical products exports to Iran were worth just $57 million in FY2015. Many claim that this is going to change because during sanction years, only the rich and powerful in Iran had proper access to medicines, which probably answers why Germany, France and Switzerland account for over 50% of its pharmaceutical products imports in CY2014. Now that normalcy is expected to return resulting in Iranian masses getting access to pharmaceutical products, India will be in a position to benefit.

India's top exports to Iran in 2009, Five years later

On the other hand, while other countries making a beeline for Iran will increase competition for India’s exports, it will create a tremendous opportunity, given the expected role of Chabahar Port in Iran’s trade and India’s investment in it. And if one had any doubt about the port project reaching culmination, given the recent commitments by both India's Prime Minister Narendra Modi and Iran's President Hassan Rouhani, they should be put to rest. In fact, Chabahar Port is not the only infrastructure project India has committed to in the region. There’s the International North-South Transport Corridor (INSTC), which will further amplify Chabahar Port’s strategic significance through a network of connectivity linkages, and the undersea Middle East to India Deepwater Pipeline (MEIDP). Dr. Meena Singh Roy, Head, West Asia, Institute of Defence and Strategic Analyses (IDSA), thinks the strategic significance of Chabahar Port for India is immense, with INSTC providing India easier, faster and cheaper access to Central Asia and Russia. She is of the opinion that once materialised, these projects will reduce the cost and time involved in transporting crude oil from the Gulf and Central Asia to India by about a third. “From India’s point of view, the strategic importance of Chabahar Port is immense. It not only gives the country access to oil & gas resources in Iran, but also opens up its access to Central Asian Republics (CAR). India and Iran have already taken initiatives to enhance connectivity through bilateral agreements. The trilateral agreement between the governments of India, Iran and Afghanistan, to develop the Chabahar route, through Melak, Zaranj and Delaram will facilitate regional trade and transit, thus contributing to regional economic prosperity. India is also interested in investing in the Chabahar-Faraj-Bam railway project. If that becomes a reality, goods from Bam on the Afghan border can be taken through the Zarang-Delaram road, which is linked with the Garland Highway, connecting all major Afghan locations,” she tells The Dollar Business.

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On similar lines, elucidating the benefits of MEIDP, Rao says, “MEIDP will originate from Chabahar on the southern coast of Iran and Ras Al-Jafan on the Oman coast. After traversing deep in the Arabian Sea, it will bring in gas to Porbandar in South Gujarat. It will have the capacity to channel 1.1 billion standard cubic feet of gas a day (1,100 MMSCFD) to India, thus increasing the supply of natural gas in the country by almost 2x. Thus, it will facilitate India’s access to continuous and uninterrupted flow of feedstock for power generation and fertiliser production. Another major advantage of MEIDP is that it will reduce logistics costs drastically. Normally, gas is first converted into liquid form for the ease of transportation and then, re-converted to gas at the destination. But since supply of gas through the pipeline will be in gaseous form itself, conversion expenses will also be saved. All this will add up in terms of lower prices and higher availability.” Moreover, Iran has already indicated its intentions to open up the proposed petrochemical complexes around the Chabahar Port for investments. Will India be interested in having stakes in any such project? “Certainly yes! Government of India is already contemplating setting up reverse Special Economic Zones (SEZs) for petrochemicals in Iran, wherein products could be manufactured in Iran and transported back to India,” answers Dr. Mahinder Singh, Secretary General, Chemical and Petrochemical Manufacturers Association of India (CPMAI).

Deepwater-pipeline-transportation-TheDollarBusiness Deepwater pipeline transportation is considered to be the best and the cheapest mode for supply of gas, apart from being very environment friendly. And MEIDP could be a massive boon for energy-hungry India.

The larger picture

The lifting of sanctions on Iran shouldn’t just be considered on the basis of what its impact on India’s exports will be. For, its impact on India’s imports and the larger economy is going to be massively positive. And the sectors that will benefit the most from it are, without a doubt, oil & gas, petrochemicals and fertilisers. Firstly, Iran will try to make up for lost time and get its oil production going in right earnest, which in turn will, very likely, depress oil prices further. That in each of the first four weeks since the deal was signed, oil prices have ended lower, validates that markets are already fearing a glut. And we don’t have to talk about the benefits of lower oil prices for the Indian economy, do we? Secondly, given that the deal has removed all roadblocks on SAGE’s proposed gas pipeline, India might soon have access to Iran’s cheap natural gas, which, in turn, might turn out to be a lifeline for India’s fertiliser industry. Given that India is the world’s 3rd biggest importer of fertiliser, with $6.4 billion worth of imports in FY2015, the effect of cheaper natural gas on the country’s larger economy is going to be humongous.

INSTC-TheDollarBusiness The International North-South Transport Corridor (INSTC) is expected to be India's gateway to Central Asia and Europe and reduce transportation time and cost by a third.   

Bonhomie!

The future of India-Iran trade ties can also be gauged from the fact that India's now former Commerce Secretary Rajeev Kher had toured the latter three months before the nuclear deal became a reality. Following his meeting with Iranian officials during the Joint Working Group (JWG) of the two countries, Kher had said that Iran was looking at enhancing its trade relations with India, boosting its manufacturing sector via Indian investment in petrochemicals, engineering, pharmaceuticals and agro-processing and had proposed negotiating a Free Trade Agreement (FTA)! An FTA with a country under sanctions? Sums up the bonhomie, doesn't it?

Bandar-e-Anzali-port-TheDollarBusiness A file photo of Bandar-e Anzali port on the Caspian Sea in North Iran. As Iran looks to rebuild its port infrastructure post the lifting of sanctions, India is expected to play a major part in it.

The riders

The passage is clear, but the pathway is not without roadblocks. Both India and Iran need each other’s support to go way forward. From Iran’s point of view, India, being a big market for its oil resources, added to its expertise in infrastructure development, is a country that it has to invest in, in terms of rapport and relationship. From India’s perspective, Iran, with its oil and infrastructure requirements, is a country that could fuel the engines of its own economic growth. But the relationship would not be without its uncertainties and will also depend on India’s equations with Israel and the United States.

Chabahar-Port-TheDollarBusiness India's investment in Chabahar Port in South Iran is expected to not only boost the latter's international trade, but also help the former increase its trade with the whole of Central and West Asia. 

Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action's (JCPOA) Ten Commandments

-- Iran envisions that this JCPOA will allow it to move forward with an exclusively peaceful, indigenous nuclear programme, in line with scientific and economic considerations, in accordance with the JCPOA, and with a view to building confidence and encouraging international cooperation. In this context, the initial mutually determined limitations described in this JCPOA will be followed by a gradual evolution, at a reasonable pace, of Iran’s peaceful nuclear programme, including its enrichment activities, to a commercial programme for exclusively peaceful purposes, consistent with international non-proliferation norms.

-- The E3/EU+3 envision that the implementation of this JCPOA will progressively allow them to gain confidence in the exclusively peaceful nature of Iran’s programme. The JCPOA reflects mutually determined parameters, consistent with practical needs, with agreed limits on the scope of Iran’s nuclear programme, including enrichment activities and R&D. The JCPOA addresses the E3/EU+3’s concerns, including thorough comprehensive measures providing for transparency and verification.

-- Iran will not engage in activities, including at the R&D level that could contribute to the development of a nuclear explosive device, including uranium or plutonium metallurgy activities, as specified in Annex I.

-- Iran’s long term plan includes certain agreed limitations on all uranium enrichment and uranium enrichment-related activities including certain limitations on specific research and development (R&D) activities for the first 8 years, to be followed by gradual evolution, at a reasonable pace, to the next stage of its enrichment activities for exclusively peaceful purposes, as described in Annex I. Iran will abide by its voluntary commitments, as expressed in its own long-term enrichment and enrichment R&D plan to be submitted as part of the initial declaration for the Additional Protocol to Iran’s Safeguards.

-- Iran will allow the IAEA to monitor the implementation of the voluntary measures for their respective durations, as well as to implement transparency measures, as set out in this JCPOA and its Annexes. These measures include: a long-term IAEA presence in Iran; IAEA monitoring of uranium ore concentrate produced by Iran from all uranium ore concentrate plants for 25 years; containment and surveillance of centrifuge rotors and bellows for 20 years; use of IAEA-approved and certified modern technologies including on-line enrichment measurement and electronic seals; and a reliable mechanism to ensure speedy resolution of IAEA access concerns for 15 years, as defined in Annex I.

-- The EU will terminate all provisions of the EU Regulation, as subsequently amended, implementing all nuclear-related economic and financial sanctions, including related designations, simultaneously with the IAEA-verified implementation of agreed nuclear-related measures by Iran as specified in Annex V, which cover all sanctions and restrictive measures.

-- The United States will cease the application, and will continue to do so, in accordance with this JCPOA of the sanctions specified in Annex II to take effect simultaneously with the IAEA-verified implementation of the agreed nuclear-related measures by Iran

-- Eight years after Adoption Day or when the IAEA has reached the Broader Conclusion that all nuclear material in Iran remains in peaceful activities, whichever is earlier, the United States will seek such legislative action as may be appropriate to terminate, or modify to effectuate the termination of, the sanctions specified in Annex II on the acquisition of nuclear-related commodities and services for nuclear activities contemplated in this JCPOA, to be consistent with the U.S. approach to other non-nuclear-weapon states under the NPT.

-- The E3/EU+3 and the United States specify in Annex II a full and complete list of all nuclear-related sanctions or restrictive measures and will lift them in accordance with Annex V. Annex II also specifies the effects of the lifting of sanctions beginning on “Implementation Day”. If at any time following the Implementation Day, Iran believes that any other nuclear-related sanction or restrictive measure of the E3/EU+3 is preventing the full implementation of the sanctions lifting as specified in this JCPOA, the JCPOA participant in question will consult with Iran with a view to resolving the issue and, if they concur that lifting of this sanction or restrictive measure is appropriate, the JCPOA participant in question will take appropriate action. If they are not able to resolve the issue, Iran or any member of the E3/EU+3 may refer the issue to the Joint Commission.

-- If a law at the state or local level in the United States is preventing the implementation of the sanctions lifting as specified in this JCPOA, the United States will take appropriate steps, taking into account all available authorities, with a view to achieving such implementation. The United States will actively encourage officials at the state or local level to take into account the changes in the U.S. policy reflected in the lifting of sanctions under this JCPOA and to refrain from actions inconsistent with this change in policy.  

“The nuclear deal has provisions for snapback sanctions” - Shashank Joshi, Senior Research Fellow, RUSI, UK
An expert on South Asia and the Middle East, Shashank Joshi, Senior Research Fellow, The Royal United Services Institute for defence and Security Studies, thinks the deal is an accomplishment and will survive US Congressional scrutiny.

Shashank-Joshi Shashank Joshi, Senior Research Fellow, RUSI, UK

TDB: What is your take on the Iran nuclear deal? Do you think it will last? Does it bring anything to the table?
Shashank Joshi (SJ): I think the deal is a huge accomplishment. It is also incredibly detailed, running into more than 100 pages, which, in some ways, is uncommon for these kinds of agreements. In it, very little has been left to chance. If it can survive US Congressional scrutiny, which I think it will, then it should last the full 10 years. The issue for me, though, is the weakness of the deal when the restrictions begin loosening after 10 years. If Iran begins to legally and legitimately expand its nuclear infrastructure, which it is permitted to in the deal, it is obliged to do so in a gradual way, in line with enrichment plans submitted to the IAEA. At that point, if it starts ramping up centrifuges and stockpiling uranium and begins enriching it to above 20% – which is 9/10th of the way to weapons-grade – there would be concerns, particularly if the long-standing questions about Iran’s past weapons research wouldn’t have been resolved by then. That might lead to a crisis. But I think we are some distance away from that eventuality.
TDB: Why do you think the US Congress will not like the deal to go through? Do you think public opinion in the United States of America and Europe is against shaking hands with Iran?
SJ: I don’t think that’s the case. I think, we need to differentiate between American and European public opinion. In Europe, we are okay with the deal and there’re no serious debates against it. In fact, the French foreign minister went to Tehran one week after the deal was signed. Even United Kingdom is shortly going to reopen its embassy in Tehran. All this indicates that there is no serious opposition and no serious debate against the accord. In USA, the situation is different, the fundamental reason being that people view Iran as an adversary. Polls for the deal show opposition running slightly higher than support. But then, these numbers are fluctuating and changing week by week.
TDB: What is the public opinion and mood like in Iran? Do Iranians think they have got a lot and have given away only a little?
SJ: The mood is how it should be after a long period of economic isolation comes to an end. We saw the huge celebration after Hassan Rouhani’s victory. He had campaigned on a platform of economic rehabilitation through negotiation. He said the centrifuges should keep spinning, but the economy should spin as well. So, he got a mandate for economic relief, evident from Iranians celebrating on the streets following the Geneva agreement.
TDB: The Iranian establishment wants to create an impression with the population that they have not sold out to the United States, isn’t it?
SJ: Absolutely! They want to claim it as a victory and create an impression that they walked away with their nuclear rights intact. They also want to indicate that the accord is not going to lead into any friendship with the United States. They want to drive home the point that it is only a nuclear deal and not a strategic or political deal. Unfortunately, there are different opinions within the Iranian government itself. So, while people like Foreign Minister Javad Zarif and President Hassan Rouhani are pragmatic and hope that the deal will be the basis for a better relationship with the United States, perhaps even leading to a deal on Syria, others think differently.
TDB: There is an impression that Iran is just buying time to consolidate and go back on its commitments. What’s your take on this?
SJ: In fact, one argument is that once the $100 billion or so that was frozen following the sanctions is released to Iran, the money will be used to fund terrorist groups, the Assad regime and other western or Israeli adversaries. I think this is a little exaggerated, because all that money is not being made available to Iran in the short term. I think an important point that should be noted is the fact that the deal includes stringent provisions for snapback sanctions. I have never before seen any diplomatic agreement like this. It effectively nullifies a veto in the UN Security Council.
TDB: The accord should see many countries converging on Iran to establish trade relationships. What do you think is the future of Iran’s trade and economy?
SJ: Today, due to a long period of economic isolation, Iran is desperately starved of capital, particularly in oil & gas, civil aviation and retail. But I think, now, the challenge for the Iranian regime will be to manage the influx of capital in a stable way. I would like to add a caveat. Iran is a country, very nationalistic about its oil and gas. If you are an oil & gas company, sitting in New Delhi or London and are thinking about investing in Tehran, you would still need to do your due diligence, not just about the legal environment, but also about changing power equations. You need to understand how powerful President Rouhani is against the revolutionary guards and the Supreme Leader. You would need to figure out how likely is another Green Revolution, as it happened in 2009, and a reassertion by hardliners? In Iran, parliamentary elections are scheduled for next year. If hardliners come back, the investment climate might become complicated or adverse. I think, all these calculations are going to be very difficult and may create constraints for the inflow of capital into Iran in the coming years as well.
TDB: Would you caution Indian investors from rushing into Iran?
SJ: Indian companies have a long history of dealing with Iran and know the Iranian markets extremely well. But the trouble is Iran doesn’t have a transparent rule of law or a clear political framework. It is a country with parallel governments – a revolutionary government and a civil government. In many ways, it’s a bit like Pakistan. Moreover, if Iran does cheat and sanctions are re-imposed, then things will become very difficult. So, people have to make sober calculations about investing in Iran.
TDB: Will the deal see any change in India-Iran relations? Do Iranian policymakers see India as a friend in need and hence, a friend indeed?
SJ: I don’t think Iran will be sentimental about its relations with India. Let us be honest, India was not as much a source of support to Iran as China or Russia were, both of which were inside P5+1 and so, had leverage over the deal. India has voted against Iran at the IAEA on a number of occasions. It has slowed its investments in Chabahar Port and other places. I don’t think Iran holds the view that India had walked the extra mile. I think, Iran-India relations will continue to be built on the convergence of strategic interests, not on gratitude. Common interests related to Pakistan, Pakistan-Saudi Arabia relations, the future of Afghanistan, terrorism, trade and access to Central Asia are some of the issues, which will continue to be important. Iran will now have several nations competing for its attention, so India will have more competition. I would also like to add that the private sector in India didn’t exploit Iran’s isolation enough and make inroads into its economy, when it could have done so. And I think since it failed to do so, it will now, inevitably, face more competition.

 

“The deal gives Iran more freedom to execute anti-west activities” - Ohad Horsandi, Spokesman, Embassy of Israel in India

Israel opposed the Iran nuclear deal tooth and nail and Ohad Horsandi, Spokesman, Embassy of Israel in India, thinks it will only bring in more instability to the Middle East.
Ohad-Horsandi Ohad Horsandi, Spokesman, Embassy of Israel in India
TDB: Why is Israel opposed to the Iran nuclear deal? Don’t you think it will stop Tehran’s nuclear ambitions and ensure stability in the Middle East?
Ohad Horsandi (OH): We are not the only country opposing the deal. There are ‘many countries’, which are opposing it, among them are Iran’s neighbours, although Israel has been the most outspoken about it. With the passage of time, more voices are in disagreement. Many are slowly realising that what we have been saying about the deal is correct. The deal, in no way, stops Iran’s way to a bomb. Rather, it paves the way for the same. Even if Iran fulfils all the conditions of and complies with the agreement, it will, in 8-10 years, find itself with not just one or two nuclear bombs, but with a whole arsenal. On the other hand, if it decides not to go by the agreement, even then it will find itself with a nuclear arsenal, that too without the international community knowing about it. Some of the mechanisms in the deal are not very effective and make it very difficult for the international community – the UN Security Council and P5+1 – to ensure that Iran complies with the deal. We don’t think this agreement will bring in any stability in the Middle East. In fact, this agreement rewards Iran for violating several Security Council resolutions and demands of the international community over the years. At the same time, Iran has been supporting instability in the Middle East and terror regimes like Houthis in Yemen, Hamas, the Assad regime in Syria and activities in Libya. So, we don’t see Iran as a positive player in the region.
TDB: Is your opposition to the deal a function of seeing an Iran armed with nuclear weapons, or the fear of seeing a prosperous Iran after the sanctions?
OH: We have no issues with the people of Iran. In fact, we have great admiration for them. Until 1979, Israel and Iran shared diplomatic ties and we had good people-to-people relations. But you need to understand that the people of Iran and the Iranian regime are two very different entities. The real power in Iran is not with the President or the Parliament. They are nothing more than a show. The real power lies with its Supreme Leader and the revolutionary guards. It is the only country in the world, which calls for the annihilation of another UN member – Israel. When negotiations were on in Geneva, its Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei, along with its President Hassan Rouhani, was encouraging people to chant slogans against Israel and United States. They still call USA Satan. They still say their fight against the West is not over. The Iranian regime has a very specific goal – exporting revolution to other countries and they have been doing this very well. All this deal will do is provide them with a protective umbrella. It will give them more freedom to execute their horrendous anti-West activities.
TDB: At an ideological level, don’t you think it’s nothing but hypocrisy for the world to accept a dictatorship like China and an unstable, pseudo-democracy like Pakistan having nuclear weapons but not Iran?
OH: I don’t necessarily agree with this line of thought. Going with this logic, we should allow everyone to have nuclear weapons. But that will only further lead to instability. There are several countries in the world, which have nuclear weapons. But they act responsibly and do not misuse these powerful weapons. On the contrary, there have been nations, which, despite being in possession of nuclear weapons, don’t act wisely. For instance, North Korea has developed nuclear weapons despite its agreement with the United States to not pursue them. There’s a similar mechanism in the Iran-US deal. But Iran’s regime has an intent of using nuclear weapons once it has them. Therefore, it is trying to convince the world with all kinds of promises that its nuclear activities are going to be peaceful.
TDB: What’s your take on the theory that the nuclear deal will shift the balance of power in Iran and might even put a moderate leader at its helm?
OH: I don’t see how having nuclear weapons will shift the balance of power in Iran. As I said, the real power in Iran does not lie with the President or the Parliament, but with its revolutionary guards and the Supreme Leader, who himself is directly in-charge of the nuclear ambitions of the country. On the contrary, nuclear weapons will consolidate the stranglehold of the regime over its people and the economy. The $100-150 billion that Iran will receive as part of the deal will not be used to make hospitals or schools, but reinforce the revolutionary guards to act against its own people. The money will also be given to other terrorist organisations that Iran supports. This is something that they did during the green revolution in 2009. Next time, their actions are going to be bigger and stronger.
TDB: In 2012, Prime Minister Netanyahu had told the UN General Assembly that Iran was more than 70% on its way to producing a nuclear bomb. Don’t you think if that were true, the country would have had it by now?
OH: In the past couple of years, several sanctions were imposed on Iran. These were very strong and efficient sanctions even on the country’s banking system because the international community realised that Iran was using international bank transfers for its nuclear programme and funding terror activities around the world. These sanctions seriously impeded their capabilities to acquire nuclear weapons. So, yes, Prime Minister Netanyahu was right in 2012, when he said Iran was 70% on its way to a nuclear bomb. It got stopped only because the international community clearly said it did not want Iran to have nuclear weapons.
TDB: Don’t you think economic sanctions against Iran had badly affected its poor and downtrodden more than the political class and hence, the deal is a big positive at least from a humanitarian angle?
OH: Like I said, there are two sects of people in Iran – the ones who want to be a part of the international community and then there’s the Iranian regime that has a stranglehold on the country’s economy and people. It is the one in power and has all the controls. It’s the regime that is stopping its people from moving out of Iran and prevent their progress. The lifting of the international community’s sanctions may free Iran’s economy, thereby benefiting the Iranian majority, but not as much as it would help the regime. I really doubt the billions of dollars that will flow to benefit Iran’s people will help revive its economy. After all, its revolutionary guards are not just a military force or paramilitary group. They run a parallel economy.
TDB: India was one of the few countries that ignored western sanctions and continued trading with Iran. Today, it supports the deal. What would be your message to the political establishment of India?
OH: The Indian government knows about our view on this nuclear deal and what we think of Iran’s contribution to instability in West Asia and the region. We should remember there are about six million Indians in the region. That for sure, is quite a considerable count, isn't it? Oil is something very important for India. But I doubt the $100 million investment sanctioned by India will help establish stability in places like Yemen, Gaza, Libya, Iraq and Syria. On the contrary, we expect more instability in the region. I know these are also some of the bigger concerns of the Indian government. However, if we have any message for it, then it is being conveyed through the correct diplomatic channels.

 

“Iran can be India’s gateway to central Asia and Afghanistan” - Dr. Meena Singh Roy, Head, West Asia Centre, Institute for Defence Studies & Analyses (IDSA)
Dr. Meena Singh Roy, Head, West Asia Centre, IDSA, is a Middle East expert and is closely associated with the North-South Corridor, which facilitates India's trade connectivity to Iran and a host of other countries.
Dr-Meena-Singh-Roy Dr. Meena Singh Roy, Head, West Asia Centre, Institute for Defence Studies & Analyses (IDSA)
TDB: India was one of the few countries, which maintained trade relations with Iran, when the West had imposed sanctions on it. Now, following the nuclear accord, a sense of optimism is pervasive among the Indian business community. Do you think India can capitalise on the goodwill it has with Iran and consolidate its position as a major trading partner?
Dr. Meena Singh (MS): India has always valued its relations with Iran. However, it has been unable to realise the full potential of this relationship. Energy continues to dominate India’s relations with Iran. Following the nuclear accord, there is a lot of euphoria, but we need to be pragmatic. India needs to take advantage of every opportunity that is opening up without delay. It should be ready to accept the competition, which it is likely to face. What I am saying is that it is not going to be a cakewalk for India, though it will enjoy some advantages. I would say that many opportunities are opening up. This is the right time for us to explore potential areas of trade, rather than waiting for them to call us.
TDB: During the sanction years, India managed to scale up its trade relations with Iran and today, is the latter’s 2nd biggest trading partner. But most think this could happen only because Iran had very little choice. Now that the entire world is going to be in the fray, what do you think are the prospects of India-Iran trade?
MS: Iran has always looked towards Europe and I have no doubt that the technology it needs is going to come from there. On the other hand, India is an attractive market for Iran, so is China. Hence, there could be more competition between the two. For example, ONGC has to now compete with MNCs for oil blocks and ventures related to the petroleum sector. No doubt, at one level, things have become easier, but at another level, few things have become much more difficult, the primary one being competition. The opportunity for India is leveraging the good relations it enjoys with Tehran. But even though China may not have the kind of relationship India has, it has advantages in terms of delivery and investments, apart from the fact that it is a permanent member of the UN Security Council. Our prospects would also depend on how our leadership balances our relationship with Israel, Saudi Arabia and the United States, vis-à-vis Iran.
TDB: Which do you think are the major sectors one should look at for trade and investment, post the nuclear deal?
MS: Today, the lion’s share of trade between India and Iran is accounted for by the former’s imports of petroleum products from the latter. So, in order to sustain and grow trade volumes, it is important to ensure that Iran imports more from India. Agriculture, pharma, medical equipment, aeronautics and space technology are some of the areas, in which cooperation can be enhanced in the future. It is ironic that Iran imports wheat from the United States, when it can do the same easily from India. Another important area, in which cooperation can be expanded, is banking. India and Iran have also agreed to explore the prospects of joint investments. These can happen in both oil and non-oil sectors like electronics, automobiles, IT and infrastructure. Since Iran has a strong petro-chemical base, it can provide investment opportunities to Indian companies and then, can export finished products to India.
TDB: There is an impression that Iran’s trade relationships with India will last only till the latter’s $6 billion debt with it is cleared. What’s your take on this? Is the outstanding debt a positive or a negative?
MS: I think the outstanding debt could turn out to be a win-win situation for both the countries. Iran has also said that it won’t put too much pressure on India for the debt repayment. I think this a golden opportunity for India. But what is required is a certain drive and push by Government of India. It should ensure more interactions with Iran. We need to ensure a higher flow of business from here to there. Let’s not be egoistic and wait for them to approach us. They had been approaching us because they were isolated. Now, we would be competing with China, Germany, South Korea and other countries. This is the new reality with which we have to engage with Iran.
TDB: You have been closely associated with the International North-South Transport Corridor (INSTC), which is being considered as the future of connectivity between India, Iran, Central Asia and Russia. Tell us a bit more about INSTC.
MS: Iran can be India’s gateway to Central Asia and Afghanistan. Both sides have been working closely on regional connectivity for many years. There is ongoing cooperation between the two countries to increase the connectivity through INSTC and Chabahar Port. It is important for one to note that the port at Chabahar, located on the Makran coast of the Sistan and Baluchistan provinces of Iran, crisscrosses some of the most important international corridors – East-West, North-South and Transport Corridor Europe-Caucasus-Asia (TRACECA) – and hence, is one of the most strategic transit locations. It is often referred to as the ‘Golden Gate’ to landlocked CIS countries and Afghanistan. Chabahar has immense potential to connect the business centers in South Asia (Mumbai, Jamnagar, etc.), West Asia (Dubai), Central Asia (Turkmenistan) and Afghanistan (Milak). It is close to the mainline shipping routes that connect Asia and Europe and is located just 700 km away from the capital of the province of Zahedan and 2,200 km from Tehran.
TDB: What do you think is the potential of INSTC?
MS: Its potential is humongous. Studies indicate that it can reduce the time and cost of container delivery by 30-40%. It can even link India, Myanmar and Thailand by road. It can help boost trade between Europe and South East Asia. As compared to the route through Suez Canal and the Mediterranean Sea that is currently being used, INSTC is much shorter and cost effective.
TDB: Were economic sanctions on Iran responsible for the lack of momentum in the development of the North-South Corridor?
MS: Many factors were affecting the North South Corridor and sanctions on Iran were one among them. This, since no company was prepared to invest in the construction of railway lines. Why would anyone invest in Chabahar Port or in developing railways when there were so many restrictions on trading with Iran? How do you make a route profitable without trade happening on it?
TDB: Finally, do you think Iran was reeling under a crisis when you visited the country last year?
MS: I didn’t witness anything unusual in the country. You name a thing and it was there, though I could gauge that inflation was shooting up. I saw their markets flooded with Chinese and even European goods, most which were coming via Dubai. But sanctions had made most goods very expensive.

 

“India should expand in Iran before sanctions are completely lifted”- Dr. A. Didar Singh, Secretary General, FICCI
Dr. A. Didar Singh, Secretary General, FICCI, speaks about the prospects of India-Iran trade post the lifting of sanctions, the challenges for Indian exporters and why Iran is a high stake market for India.
Dr-A-Didar-Singh Dr. A. Didar Singh, Secretary General, FICCI
TDB: Do you think the Iran nuclear deal has opened up opportunities for India to consolidate its position as the former’s 2nd biggest trading partner? What are the prospects of India’s exports to Iran rising in the near term? Dr. A. Didar Singh (ADS): India and Iran share a deep cultural and economic connect, but trade relations between the two countries have been predominantly dominated by crude oil and petroleum. The euphoria generated around the lifting of sanctions on oil-rich Iran and its positive fallouts on energy-deficient India has energised the Indian industry. I think there is a huge potential to expand bilateral trade and business opportunities in sectors like food items, pharmaceuticals, gems & jewellery, auto components, textiles and medical equipment. Trade in many of these sectors could not be developed in the past due to the lack of a proper banking channel to undertake transactions. Given India’s export capabilities in these sectors and the massive demand for them in Iran, the potential of India-Iran trade is immense.
TDB: India was steadfast in its relationship with Iran on the face of western sanctions. But now that many countries are back in competition, is there a fear of dilution of India’s prospects in Iran?
ADS: Iran is a high-stake market for Indian companies. It will soon offer projects worth over $100 billion to build its infrastructure. Indian investment worth about $8 billion in infrastructure projects is already there in Iran. We believe Indian companies should take advantage of their presence there and try to be ahead of western countries, which would be starting their investments in the country only now. For dealing with competition, India will not only have to use its corporate sector’s muscle, but also its goodwill with the country. We feel India should use the opportunity to expand in areas that saw growth during the sanction period, even before sanctions are completely lifted.
TDB: Last year, even when not many were trading with Iran due to sanctions, India’s exports to the country were worth just $4.2 billion. So, how realistic is it to expect a rise in exports now that the entire world would be trading with it?
ADS: In the last couple of years, India saw significant growth in exports in apparel, rubber goods, plastics, gems & jewellery, textiles, manmade fibres and iron & steel. Competition is likely to enter even these segments. Hence, Indian companies should start expanding in these areas before the sanctions are completely lifted.
TDB: Tell us about the sectors that are likely to directly benefit from the lifting of sanctions?
ADS: For India, the lifting of sanctions may mean an increase in crude oil imports from Iran, long term LNG deals and strategic plans to develop Chabahar Port. Apart from these, India may also get back discovered gas blocks in the country. There is also a likelihood of the implementation of the Iran-India-Pakistan pipeline.
TDB: Currently, many connectivity-related projects like the North-South corridor, the undersea gas pipeline and most importantly, Chabhar Port, are in the pipeline. What benefits do you envisage for India’s trade and manufacturing sector once these projects materialise?
ADS: Even before the nuclear deal, United States or any other country could have runaway with the Chabhar Port project, but instead, India went ahead and signed the deal in May this year to develop the port and committed to invest $85 million. Chabhar Port is expected to give India sea and land access to Afghanistan, bypassing Pakistan. It will be a lifeline for several Indian companies, which are operating out of Afghanistan and are finding it difficult to source raw material. The port is expected to cut transport cost and time between India and Central and West Asia by about a third.
TDB: What initiatives have FICCI taken to strengthen trade ties between India and Iran?
ADS: FICCI has been actively involved with Iran to improve its trade ties with India. There have been lots of exchanges of delegations between the two countries. FICCI, with the support of Ministry of Commerce, GoI, had organised a standalone exhibition in Iran in 2013, in which, around 60 Indian companies participated. Similarly, in 2014, FICCI, along with over 40 Indian companies, participated in an industry exhibition in Iran. FICCI has also participated in an innovation fair organised by the Iranian government and has organised B2B interactions for Iranian delegations in India.

 

“MEIDP will channel 1.1 billion standard cubic feet of gas a day" - T. N. R. Rao, Chairman, Advisory board, South Asia gas enterprise
TNR Rao, Chairman, Advisory Board, South Asia Gas Enterprise (SAGE), is considered the architect of MEIDP. He thinks the gas pipleline will now become a reality and benefit both power and fertiliser sectors in India.
TNR-Rao T. N. R. Rao, Chairman, Advisory board, South Asia Gas Enterprise
TDB: Were sanctions against Iran the reason for the ambitious undersea gas pipeline project from the Middle East to India not materialising yet?
T. N. R. Rao (TNRR): Not really, although Government of India was under pressure from the United States. We were being able to import oil, only based on periodical waivers given by it. In fact, although oil & gas was exempt from the sanctions, but informally, the Indian government was being forced to go by the United States’ diktats. Otherwise, sanctions had nothing to do with the undersea pipeline project, though pressures from the United States did impact its implementation.
TDB: Can you explain the advantages and benefits of the Middle East to India Deepwater Pipeline (MEIDP)?
TNRR: Laid at a depth of 3,450 metre, the 1,400 km MEIDP is going to be one of the longest and deepest pipelines in the world. The estimated cost of the project is around $4.5 billion. It will originate from Chabahar on the southern coast of Iran and Ras Al-Jafan on the Oman coast. After traversing deep in the Arabian Sea, it will bring gas to Porbandar in South Gujarat. It will channel 1.1 billion standard cubic feet of gas a day (1,100 MMSCFD) to India, thus increasing the supply of natural gas in the country by almost 2x. Thus, it will facilitate India’s access to continuous and uninterrupted flow of feedstock for power generation and fertiliser production. Another major advantage of MEIDP is that it will reduce logistics costs drastically. Normally, gas is first converted into a liquid form for the ease of transportation and then, re-converted to gas at the destination. But since supply of gas through the pipeline will be in gaseous form itself, conversion expenses will also be saved. All this will add up in terms of prices and availability. Why do you think our power plants are dying? They are dying because we cannot sell power at affordable rates. Pipeline transportation is the best and cheapest mode for supply of oil & gas, apart from being environment friendly.
TDB: Will the lifting of sanctions on Iran lead to the project gaining momentum?
TNRR: Yes, with the passage now cleared, MEIDP will most likely be initiated soon. We have done a large number of surveys, etc. Detailed engineering and seafloor studies will take about 18 to 24 months. Physical implementation, i.e., laying of the pipeline, won’t take more than two years. We have also finalised a framework agreement between buyers and sellers. They, themselves, invest money in these kind of projects. We have dedicated consultants, who are pursuing them and constantly working on filling the gaps. In this kind of a project, the investor could be anybody, not necessarily someone in Iran or India. Though so far nobody has signed the agreement because of the sanctions, we will soon be floating global tenders since we don’t have Indian expertise in deep sea engineering.
TDB: Won’t the fragile nature of geopolitical equations and uncertainties in the Middle East, particularly Iran, create uncertainty in terms of the continuity and permanency of gas supplies through the pipeline?
TNRR: India is a default market, not only for Iran, but also for the whole of the Middle East. In fact, today, it imports gas from Iran as well as Qatar. We are also developing a family of parallel pipelines from Iraq and Qatar so that we have alternatives. Anyway, countries in the Middle East, generally, honour contractual agreements even during strife and war. Even during the Iran-Iraq war, both the warring nations maintained oil supplies. This, since oil is their major source of income and they cannot afford to cut supplies.

 

“The problem with Iran is that it seems to have two governments” - Raymond E. Vickery, Jr., Senior Director, Albright Stonebridge Group LLC
Former US Assistant Secretary of Commerce, Raymond E. Vickery, Jr., Senior Director, Albright Stonebridge Group LLC, thinks the Iran nuclear deal will make India-US relations even stronger.
Raymond-E-Vickery-Jr Raymond E. Vickery, Jr., Senior Director, Albright Stonebridge Group LLC
TDB: Is the decision to ease sanctions on Iran a political move or is it a function of pressure from business lobbies interested in entering the Iranian market?
Raymond E. Vickery, Jr. (REV): I have been stressing for years that it is a false dichotomy that politics is different from economics. The reality is that they are both part of feedback loops and there is just one reality and one system. Economic and political issues are both parts of that. So, the question really is whether there was pressure for change. The Iran deal has very strong economic aspects. If it hadn’t been for economic sanctions, there wouldn’t have been any political deal. On the other hand, it is not something which has being done for economic reasons, at least from the perspective of the United States, although that's also a part of it. The deal, really, is to preserve peace and stability in West Asia. There are also strong feelings in the United States that a nuclear armed Iran would be a destabilising and probably, a disastrous development.
TDB: How do you, being an expert on the use of economic sanctions, interpret this deal?
REV: Basically, it is a straight call that you (Iran) don’t equip yourself with the ability to develop a nuclear weapon in the next 10 years, and in return, we are going to lift all sanctions on you.
TDB: Don't you think the existing political system in Iran is also a matter of concern? Do you think once more money flows into the country, it will be used for political instability in the region?
REV: Of course, the problem with Iran is that it seems to have two governments. There is authority in the government of Ayatollah Khamenei and the Revolutionary Guards, and then there is the President and others. However, there is no question of the deal leading to political instability. Iran has grappled with lots of problems in sorting out its own system. In spite of this, Iran will not become another Iraq. At this point, there's not a lot of trust in Iran and we have to verify everything. According to Secretary Kerry (I am not speaking on behalf of the United States government, but as a private citizen), enough verification has been built into the agreement. Iran, through its Revolutionary Guards, supports Sudan, the Assad regime in Syria, and Hezbollah. All this is still very problematic. But as President Obama said, the policy of the United States and its European partners is not containment but prevention. Iran could have had a nuclear weapon and there could have been a war, instead of an agreement. That's not desirable. A lot of people in Iran are pro-democracy, pro-India and pro-US. They need to be supported and engaged, so that they can bring about sufficient change and develop some trust. But at this point in time, there is no trust and the deal is all about verifications.
TDB: Despite sanctions, India had continued to trade with Iran, especially in oil. Had this ever been a cause of major concern for the United States?
REV: India, interestingly, has supported the United States in terms of whether Iran should be a nuclear power or not and has also supported US resolutions against it. Until now, organisations like ONGC and ONGC Videsh Ltd. (OVL) have been weary of being involved in Iran, despite having investments in the country. This, because they are wary of its impact on India-US relationship. As you would know, the relationship between India and Iran, particularly with regard to gas and petroleum, has historically been very strong. Iran has been a major supplier of energy resources to India. One of the great advantages of this nuclear deal, actually, is that it will lead to better India-US relationship. Indian companies, no longer, will have this cloud over them. They won’t be constantly wondering anymore whether or not to invest in Iran. From United States’ point of view, organisations like ONGC, OVL and GAIL will get further involved in the American energy market as it is the largest producer of natural gas and oil in the world. That’s not going to change because of Iran. Iran has a lot of oil reserves, but it’s a long way off from turning those reserves into production. Moreover, there is stability in the United States because of a market-driven pricing system for gas, which keeps it low. The country has the technology for non-conventional production of oil & gas, which should make it very attractive, not only for GAIL, which has already signed two agreements with the United States for LNG, but also for companies like ONGC and OVL.